Our story is not perfect. Our marriage is not perfect. Our five kids are not perfect. Our decades of ministry together are not perfect. Thankfully, our God is perfect, and He does perfect work through imperfect people. We like to help real people learn to really laugh, learn, and love.

With Pastor Mark and Grace, it’s all about Jesus! They've been married and doing ministry together for over twenty-five years. They launched Real Faith with Bible teaching for men, women, pastors, leaders, Spanish speakers, and more and planted The Trinity Church with their five kids in Scottsdale, Arizona. Together they have authored Real Marriage and Win Your War and Pastor Mark has authored many other books, including Spirit-Filled Jesus, Who Do You Think You Are?, Vintage Jesus, and Doctrine.